Jags was telling us how she and her husband talked about their daughter’s desire to be a singer. Her husband quickly listed off all the daughters musical attributes and the instruments she plays. Jags said, “Yeah, and she’s pretty.”

Which, from what I can tell lead to a debate about how male rockstars don’t have to be attractive, and female ones do. Her proof of unattractive male rockers? Neil Young and MIKE DOUGHTY. Yes, my beloved el deliciousioso de delectables. But that’s another topic for a different day.

She wracked and wracked her brain trying to come up with an unattractive female singer. The best she could do was Janis Joplin, who, when Jags told us this story, I quickly disqualified as pre-MTV. Because I think a lot of rockstars pre-MTV were not so much with the good looks.

So for most of the night we threw out random female rockstars that we could think of that were unattractive and by a group consensus, we’d decide if they were Neil Young-ugly enough to count.

When Kelly tossed Wilson Phillips into the ring, I had to disqualify them because if your dad’s Brian Wilson, you don’t have to be cute. Because the point was that for a woman to make it in music, which we’re sure is a pretty male run business [I just remembered I had a sex dream last night but I can’t quite remember who the sex was with], you have to be attractive. For men, it’s not such a need. Kelly immediately protested my random changing of the rules, and declared herself winner. She might be.

Of course this debate has been bugging the crap out of me since last night. I even whipped out Kathleen Turner Overdrive to see if I could spy one. But these kinds of things were heard from the table with every name I dropped:
“If she can carry off bald, she’s hot.”
“One of the Indigo Girls might be cute.”
“Tracy Chapman is not Neil Young ugly.”

I still can’t think of an unattractive female singer. Though when Kelly tossed in Celine Dion, we all kind of gave her that one.