Last night’s Grumpy’s debate

Jags was telling us how she and her husband talked about their daughter’s desire to be a singer. Her husband quickly listed off all the daughters musical attributes and the instruments she plays. Jags said, “Yeah, and she’s pretty.”

Which, from what I can tell lead to a debate about how male rockstars don’t have to be attractive, and female ones do. Her proof of unattractive male rockers? Neil Young and MIKE DOUGHTY. Yes, my beloved el deliciousioso de delectables. But that’s another topic for a different day.

She wracked and wracked her brain trying to come up with an unattractive female singer. The best she could do was Janis Joplin, who, when Jags told us this story, I quickly disqualified as pre-MTV. Because I think a lot of rockstars pre-MTV were not so much with the good looks.

So for most of the night we threw out random female rockstars that we could think of that were unattractive and by a group consensus, we’d decide if they were Neil Young-ugly enough to count.

When Kelly tossed Wilson Phillips into the ring, I had to disqualify them because if your dad’s Brian Wilson, you don’t have to be cute. Because the point was that for a woman to make it in music, which we’re sure is a pretty male run business [I just remembered I had a sex dream last night but I can’t quite remember who the sex was with], you have to be attractive. For men, it’s not such a need. Kelly immediately protested my random changing of the rules, and declared herself winner. She might be.

Of course this debate has been bugging the crap out of me since last night. I even whipped out Kathleen Turner Overdrive to see if I could spy one. But these kinds of things were heard from the table with every name I dropped:
“If she can carry off bald, she’s hot.”
“One of the Indigo Girls might be cute.”
“Tracy Chapman is not Neil Young ugly.”

I still can’t think of an unattractive female singer. Though when Kelly tossed in Celine Dion, we all kind of gave her that one.

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  1. danielle 03.Nov.06 at 8:23 am

    I thought you and Mike were on a break. Hmmm. I’ll be more tactful next time.

  2. wolfdog 03.Nov.06 at 9:53 am

    Christine McVie. Not only looks like a bad drag-queen….but gave us the puke that is Little Lies.

  3. wolfdog 03.Nov.06 at 10:02 am

    Don’t forget Courtney Love and the saying about turds and polishing.

  4. UH 03.Nov.06 at 4:45 pm

    The key is that pop singers (since the video age) are, as a rule, better-looking than they were pre-MTV. The corollary to this, however, is that they are also less musically talented.

    You can find plenty of ugly-but-talented female singers, but they’ll never become pop stars. At least as long as looks are more important than actual chops.

  5. Jodi 03.Nov.06 at 4:47 pm

    I think that was exactly Danielle’s (Jags) point.

  6. dweebie 04.Nov.06 at 9:53 am

    The more I hear from Wolfdog, the more I like him, he’s cool. I looked to see if he has a website and the first thing that popped up was wolf/dog hybrids.

  7. Jodi 04.Nov.06 at 10:46 am

    Wolfdogg has a Vox Blog that he rarely updates. You should probably give him some shit about it.


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