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		By: Jodi		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike are you implying my opinion is invalid because I&#039;m a blogger?]]></description>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		By: Kef Schecter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kef Schecter]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know this is an old post, but it&#039;s the first google hit for &quot;The road to hell is paved with adverbs&quot;, so I&#039;ll respond anyway.

Although I agree with King&#039;s advice in general, I wouldn&#039;t take it to extremes. I think adverbs are problematic for two reasons:
1. They often tell instead of show.
2. They often violate &quot;omit needless words&quot;.

Take &quot;often&quot; in the above two sentences. That&#039;s an adverb, but it would be hard to excise. I can&#039;t omit it, because then the statements would be wrong: sometimes they don&#039;t violate either rule. (&quot;Sometimes&quot; is another adverb!) Any paraphrase of the word &quot;often&quot; would make the text verbose to avoid an adverb, which is silly. &quot;Vigorous writing is concise,&quot; says Strunk &#038; White.

I could, of course, rephrase with something like &quot;They might tell instead of show&quot;, but then I am still accomplishing nothing but replacing the adverb with something else. It doesn&#039;t improve the text.

Adverbs are not problems. Adverbs are &lt;em&gt;symptoms&lt;/em&gt;. They say, &quot;Hey, you might want to take a closer look to make sure this is the best way to say this.&quot; They are often right. But if you think a passage without an adverb is better because it avoids an adverb, you are fooling yourself: either you are ignoring the underlying problem, or there is no underlying problem.

Compare &quot;he smiled menacingly&quot; and &quot;he had a menacing smile&quot;. The second one may not leap out at you as much as the first since it doesn&#039;t have an adverb, but it says the same thing. If the first is a problem, so is the second. The adverb only leaps out at you because you&#039;ve trained yourself to hate adverbs. That&#039;s not to say that &quot;he smiled menacingly&quot; can&#039;t be improved upon, but rather the problem isn&#039;t the adverb.

In the Klosterman passage -- which I agree does overuse adverbs, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s horrible for it -- you highlighted the word &quot;jointly&quot;. It is, after all, an adverb. But I think it is the least egregious adverb in the text, because it adds information, not just color: it means the two churches combined their efforts, rather than petitioning separately. (&quot;Separately&quot; is another unavoidable adverb.) You could argue that, say, &quot;joined forces to petition&quot; is better than &quot;jointly petitioned&quot;, but in some contexts this might sound overdramatic (but perhaps not in the Klosterman example).

I also believe that character dialogue can get away with using more adverbs, because, well, people use them. It makes dialogue sound more natural, and I think sometimes the weakening effect of the adverbs is desirable. A character saying &quot;I really don&#039;t think that&#039;s a good idea&quot; sounds less blunt than if he said &quot;I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a good idea&quot;, even though he&#039;s emphasizing how good it isn&#039;t.

By the way, I think adverbs are at their best when they actually contradict the word or phrase they modify. My favorite example is from Douglas Adams: &quot;Here the man in blue crimplene accosted us once more but we patiently explained to him that he could fuck off.&quot; The sentence would lose so much if you removed the word &quot;patiently&quot;.

- Kef]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is an old post, but it&#8217;s the first google hit for &#8220;The road to hell is paved with adverbs&#8221;, so I&#8217;ll respond anyway.</p>
<p>Although I agree with King&#8217;s advice in general, I wouldn&#8217;t take it to extremes. I think adverbs are problematic for two reasons:<br />
1. They often tell instead of show.<br />
2. They often violate &#8220;omit needless words&#8221;.</p>
<p>Take &#8220;often&#8221; in the above two sentences. That&#8217;s an adverb, but it would be hard to excise. I can&#8217;t omit it, because then the statements would be wrong: sometimes they don&#8217;t violate either rule. (&#8220;Sometimes&#8221; is another adverb!) Any paraphrase of the word &#8220;often&#8221; would make the text verbose to avoid an adverb, which is silly. &#8220;Vigorous writing is concise,&#8221; says Strunk &amp; White.</p>
<p>I could, of course, rephrase with something like &#8220;They might tell instead of show&#8221;, but then I am still accomplishing nothing but replacing the adverb with something else. It doesn&#8217;t improve the text.</p>
<p>Adverbs are not problems. Adverbs are <em>symptoms</em>. They say, &#8220;Hey, you might want to take a closer look to make sure this is the best way to say this.&#8221; They are often right. But if you think a passage without an adverb is better because it avoids an adverb, you are fooling yourself: either you are ignoring the underlying problem, or there is no underlying problem.</p>
<p>Compare &#8220;he smiled menacingly&#8221; and &#8220;he had a menacing smile&#8221;. The second one may not leap out at you as much as the first since it doesn&#8217;t have an adverb, but it says the same thing. If the first is a problem, so is the second. The adverb only leaps out at you because you&#8217;ve trained yourself to hate adverbs. That&#8217;s not to say that &#8220;he smiled menacingly&#8221; can&#8217;t be improved upon, but rather the problem isn&#8217;t the adverb.</p>
<p>In the Klosterman passage &#8212; which I agree does overuse adverbs, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s horrible for it &#8212; you highlighted the word &#8220;jointly&#8221;. It is, after all, an adverb. But I think it is the least egregious adverb in the text, because it adds information, not just color: it means the two churches combined their efforts, rather than petitioning separately. (&#8220;Separately&#8221; is another unavoidable adverb.) You could argue that, say, &#8220;joined forces to petition&#8221; is better than &#8220;jointly petitioned&#8221;, but in some contexts this might sound overdramatic (but perhaps not in the Klosterman example).</p>
<p>I also believe that character dialogue can get away with using more adverbs, because, well, people use them. It makes dialogue sound more natural, and I think sometimes the weakening effect of the adverbs is desirable. A character saying &#8220;I really don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a good idea&#8221; sounds less blunt than if he said &#8220;I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a good idea&#8221;, even though he&#8217;s emphasizing how good it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>By the way, I think adverbs are at their best when they actually contradict the word or phrase they modify. My favorite example is from Douglas Adams: &#8220;Here the man in blue crimplene accosted us once more but we patiently explained to him that he could fuck off.&#8221; The sentence would lose so much if you removed the word &#8220;patiently&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8211; Kef</p>
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		By: F. Scott Fitzgerald		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that Klosterman went overboard in the passage you provided, but there&#039;s nothing wrong with the routine use of adverbs. Need proof? Pick up a copy of The Great Gatsby, This Side of Paradise, or anything else by Fitzgerald.

When it comes to something as creative and expressive as fiction writing, sweeping generalizations shouldn&#039;t be applied as doctrine. Adverbs can make or break a composition, but there&#039;s no rule as to how many or when they should be used.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Klosterman went overboard in the passage you provided, but there&#8217;s nothing wrong with the routine use of adverbs. Need proof? Pick up a copy of The Great Gatsby, This Side of Paradise, or anything else by Fitzgerald.</p>
<p>When it comes to something as creative and expressive as fiction writing, sweeping generalizations shouldn&#8217;t be applied as doctrine. Adverbs can make or break a composition, but there&#8217;s no rule as to how many or when they should be used.</p>
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		By: Jodi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jodi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, that&#039;s good for you. Way to make disparaging assumptions about my writing based on what I said about adverbs.]]></description>
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